Sunday, December 22, 2013

Population Decrease

Something which bothers me way more than it should is the population decreasing.  Ever since the 1960's, the birth rate in the United States has been going down.  That means, inevitably, that there will be a time when deaths outnumber births, and the total population shrinks.

Actually, this has already happened for white people, in the United States.  According to the 2012 Census, the overall number of white people is decreasing.  Lots of whites are dying, and not so many whites are being born.  This trend will probably continue for decades, since we've had decades of build-up for it.

Sometime in the future, this is going to happen to the entire United States population, and even the world population, not just the white population in America.  People disagree as to when the population shrink will take place; I've heard estimates from six years to fifty years.

That's what worries me.  I feel like something big and bad is going to happen, when there are suddenly a lot less people alive in the world.  Isn't there a science fiction story about this or something?  We have one where there are too many people alive; where's the one where there aren't enough people alive?

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good. Too many orphaned and/or homeless children anyway.

Anonymous said...

How could you say that?
Michael is right, this is a bad thing!

Friend of Science said...

What are you talking about, the world's population is definitely NOT decreasing. Some biologists believe we'll hit Earth's carrying capacity in less than a century. The population is supposed to hit 8 billion with a few years. I think it would greatly help if no one had any children for say, a single year. That'll never happen of course. Side note, India's population is just about to surpass China's. Developed countries have low birth and death rates, while developing and underdeveloped countries have a high rate of both. But if you're worried about Caucasian Americans, well that's just your issue. Caucasians aren't even native to this country. You kind of sound like you're being an elitist worried about whites dying out..

I actually saw a picture from National Geographic yesterday of a projected "typical woman" in 2050 (I think). She had mostly typically white features with caramel-covered skin and light brown hair. Hey, maybe the extra pigmentation could help shield against the sun's increasingly harmful rays with the thinning on the OZONE layer!

Anonymous said...

12:55 Anon - so you don't think there are too many orphaned and/or unwanted children?

Kate said...

Anon 2:40, isn't it better that they have a life than no life at all? Everyone deserves the chance of life. Michael is right that it is a bad thing. And the world population, especially in Europe, is decreasing rapidly. I have friends who have been to Europe several times and they have said it is vacant of children.

Anonymous said...

"Isn't it better that they have a life than no life at all?"

Really?
No. Not necessarily.

"Everyone deserves the chance of life."

That's not what we're talking about. "Everyone" doesn't include children who don't exist. They're not being offered or denied anything, because they don't exist. You're not taking away anything from a thing that might not even be a thought in someone's mind.

Why bring a child into the world if someone doesn't want to? Why have children for the sake of increasing Earth's population? We'd just be using up more natural resources. Causing more pollution. Increasing global warming.

The only thing bad about having a smaller population is that they won't be able to support all the dumb baby boomers of the 50s and 60s.

Friend of Science said...

^ Exactly. Look at facts - the Earth is running out of non renewable resources. Children all around the country and world are starving to death or dying from disease. I could not care less what your friends saw (or didn't see) in Europe. That means nothing. I never see children in the town where I go to college. Should that raise concern? Because that's exactly what you're saying.

I suggest cracking open a biology book. Read about population genetics, sustainability, and effects of an overcrowded planet.

Anonymous said...

"According to the 2012 Census, the overall number of white people is decreasing. Lots of whites are dying, and not so many whites are being born. This trend will probably continue for decades, since we've had decades of build-up for it."

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2837/11505193996_fb7cb99d58_b.jpg

Anonymous said...

^ Bad link. Anyway, that quote doesn't even sound very...professional. It's kind of bad overall.

Christi said...

I believe this is due in part to the women's rights movement. Be liberated of kids, take hormonal birth control that has been linked to harmful side effects. (I'll just put out right now that I'm not even Catholic.) I don't want kids for my own reasons, but I actually thought the birth rate was doing pretty well. At least, it's doing well in my church.

Anonymous said...

I'd just like to point out that birth control has its benefits, especially when it's taken responsibly. It's actually a good thing to look into if you don't want kids.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean when you say, "...since we've had decades of buildup for it"?

Anonymous said...

Michael, pardon my French, but this post is dumb as shit. Are you high? Here, just go to this site to ease your mind. By the way, Earth's population will reach 8 billion in less than 20 years. You. Can. Relax.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Anonymous said...

Guys, keep in mind that "decreasing population" and "decreasing birth rate" are two different things.

Anonymous said...

Birth control wouldn't be necessary if more people had self control.

Anonymous said...

No, I think it is very sad that a lot of children are unwanted. But what you are saying is that you don't want them to exist in the first place -to never have a soul, to never have a chance to live.
I know that I would far rather exist and have a horrible life die and go to heaven, than to just... Not be.

Anonymous said...

12:25 anon - I've used birth control since I was 16 to ease symptoms of endometriosis. My sister started at 14 because of severe irregularity. So you can just take you ignorant, self-righteous attitude and shove it so far up your asshole that it impales your brainstem. I cannot even handle your stupidity. Really, I hope you have a bad sex life. I mean, with that attitude you'll probably develop an addiction to furry porn or something.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 12:33: I don't really think you're speaking very rationally. I don't think a lot of children, or people, would choose to live a horrible life rather than not exist at all. I think you're just delusional. There's a good chance you're not starving most days a week, scrounging the streets or trying to keep a job while fearing something like the flu could kill you because you're so malnourished. How about constantly being abused sexually by a parent or other respected adult? What about living in an active war zone? There are many people that do survive these circumstances, but you should just think a little before you say such outrageous things. Like it was said earlier, you can't lose something you never had. It's not like the un-conceived children know they exist.

Violet said...

"But what you are saying is that you don't want them to exist in the first place -to never have a soul, to never have a chance to live.
I know that I would far rather exist and have a horrible life die and go to heaven, than to just... Not be."

This. Doesn't. Make. Any. Sense! STOP trying to rationalize for things that DO NOT EXIST. There is NO REASON to pity something that literally has not even an iota of space in the universe. I understand pitying fetuses, even though they are parasites, but pitying unconvinced beings? That's naive, and wasted sentiment, IMO.

Violet said...

unconceived*

Violet said...

And besides the souls of nonexistent things, do you have any other points about the decreasing birth rate?

What is your opinion on decreasing nonrenewable resources? Global warming? Pollution? Those might get better if the birth rate slows down.

What about social security? That, on the other hand, might fare poorly with a decreasing birth rate.

What about overcrowding?

What about the economy?

What about the workforce?

These are more important things to think about in relation to Michel's topic.

Anonymous said...

Go Violet!

Anonymous said...

The problem is that people are not marrying until their older. Women used to marry in their early 20s now most wait till late 30s or 40s and its harder for them to have children. Women are so focused on their "careers" and less on family that child rates are decreasing. Its a sad world but I still have hope!

Anonymous said...

Hey man, sorry for wanting to be something other than a baby machine. It's not like having a kid is a commitment or anything. I don't even really believe that comment is genuine, but I believe a lot of people think that way.

Anonymous said...

Wow. You've excelled yourself with this post.

1. Population's not decresing. In case you don't know, the problem is global overpopulation.

2. Even if population is decresing in the US (I'm not sure if this is really the case, we might want to look at the official statitics to find out if it's true, but I'm not in the mood to do that), people in Afganistan or Bangladesh are doing all they can to compensate for this.

3. You sound somewhat racist when you emphasize that whites are dying out.

Anonymous said...

It smells of troll around here, no?

As for anonymous 5:15 : In regards to your third point, why is it racist? I'm so sick and tired of people blaming others as racist for stating a point of view. If someone says the birth rate of black people is declining, is that racist?