Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Proofs for the Existence of God

Okay, everyone, here's the list of proofs for the existence of God that I can talk about.  I have no idea how I should order these topics, so...leave a comment and let me know what you want to see!
  1. Aristotle on God as the Final Cause
  2. The Teleological Argument
  3. The Ontological Argument
  4. St. Thomas' Aquinas Five Ways
  5. Pacal's Wager
  6. Kant's Moral Argument
  7. Cardinal Newman's Proof from the Existence of Conscience
  8. Religious Experience
There are also several other discussion topics I have in the folder for the presentation.
  1. The Impossibility of Proving God's Existence
  2. Ancient Religion and Ancient Ancient Religion
  3. The Nature of Proof
  4. Knowledge and Belief
  5. The Divine Attributes
  6. The Problem of Evil
  7. Miracles
  8. John Paul II's book, Faith and Reason


Nigel said...

Religious Experience sounds interesting.

My friend tells me that when he gets in the "moment" at church, he can feel God going through his hands as well as pure joy for a minute.

C said...

Pascal's Wager is the only one I know anything about. But it doesn't prove God, does it? I'd say it does the opposite - it says there is a possibility that there isn't a [Christian] God.

As I understand it, it says if you choose to believe in God, then you will be richly rewarded if you're right, and it won't matter if you're wrong.

If you choose not to believe in God, then good for you if you're right, but burn in Hell forever if you're wrong. Thus it is smart to choose to believe in God, just in case.

But ... false dichotomy? Pascal's principles can be applied to any religion. Christians who are wrong about their God might not just cease do exist, they might actually burn in the hellfire of some other religion that may actually be correct.

And believing in God just to be sure you don't have an eternity if suffering ... seems cheap to me. A Christian should believe in God because they actually love God and want to worship him forever in Heaven.

How can you force yourself to believe, anyway?? "Hmm, don't believe there is a God, but I don't want to burn forever, so okay sure, why not, God exists."

In short, Pascal's Wager seems more to appeal to those who already believe, rather than those who don't, and it should be the other way around. It might even be considered a scare tactic.

Breanna;) said...

Knowledge and belief is what I want to hear about, but it's your choice Michael, I'll be following all of these posts, so it doesn't really matter to me which you start with.

mademoisellebelle said...

Michael, this is literally everything I'm learning in my Life In Christ class. Everything you discuss will be extremely helpful for me!

William D said...

Well for one,
The Origin of Matter
The Origin of Motion
The Origin of Living Things
The Origin of the Order and Law in the universe.
Don't say something like the big bang, where did the gasses and rocks and other stuff come from?

Stephanie Braddock said...

William, the universe has always existed because it is essentially infinity, so asking where everything came from is at this point impossible to answer. But you can't really think in that kind of way either, because if god is the creator where did HE come from?

C said...

The Big Bang isn't meant to explain the ORIGIN of the universe. That is a fundamental misunderstanding on your part.

After all, as you said, the BB needed to act on already-existing matter.

But that DOESN'T MEAN it's invalid. It explains and accounts for MANY observable phenomena.

You have to understand that even if they are wrong, scientific theories are NOT developed just to discredit religious groups, so stop "challenging" scientists to one-up you just so you can gloat that they can't. The reasoning behind the BB is solid and logical.

Vast Universe said...

I'm interested in Ancient Religion and Ancient Ancient Religion.

How did mankind make the transition from polytheism to monotheism and why? Both types in ancient times (and even now) dictated order and sought to explain phenomena that was not within human control.

I guess I'm interested more in the social context rather than the "Jesus was born and taught us all" explanation. Not just because powerful groups in ancient times (for example, the Romans etc.) decided it was heresy to punish and destroy those who worshipped many Gods/Goddesses. Was it mankind's desire to conform to the growing power and influence behind monotheistic religion? Did humanity evolve spiritually (and conveniently) to believe in one deity rather than many?

I'd also like to say that the three main religions of the world: Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, all began within one centralized area of the world (Middle East) and are all monotheistic. This area has long been a center for holy wars and conflict for power and follower prowess. Meanwhile, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Shintoism, which worship several varying deities and also believe in specific paths to salvation, do not appear to conflict with each other as those religions who base their beliefs and prayer on the founding single deity of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism (who can technically be mistaken for the same God amongst all three of these). And for three religions that seek to bring peace and love to the individual, they become violent and oppressive within large organized groups.

Just something interesting, I thought I'd share.

Vast Universe said...

*****Not just because powerful groups in ancient times (for example, the Romans etc.) decided it was heresy to worship any other deity and began to punish and destroy those who worshipped many Gods/Goddesses or anything different.

Apologies for the grammar. I'm interested in this and had too many thoughts to type out at once.

William D said...

Um... God is infinite ;-; We are Finite ;-;

Anonymous said...

Proof William D, I need proof rather than just personal opinion.

William D said...

Well, let me think xD