Saturday, October 26, 2013

Nancy Drew: The Silent Spy Problems

I have officially beaten Nancy Drew: The Silent Spy, after getting horrendously stuck at one point.  Here's where I get unstuck.



I had the bad luck to get stuck on one of the puzzles which does not have a hint on the task bar.  And...I managed to fail on both parts of the two part puzzle.  Here's my rant, in spoiler-vision.  Highlight it to read.

Part 1: Nancy's mom says, "Why is a raven like a writing desk? Ask the raven. Follow the raven to the archives."  Somehow, this translates to "the word 'raven' is a password on the archive computer".  How are you supposed to figure that out on your own?  And why hasn't Cathedral changed their archive passwords in the past ten years?

Part 2: I have NO IDEA where the cryptography challenge comes from. The game says that Nancy gets the list of letters, by applying Kate's note (first green, second orange, third red and so on) to the Jabberwocky poem.  But I don't see how this is the case.  Kate's note only indicates eight letters, maximum, while Nancy's list has over forty letters.  Also, Nancy has spaces in her list, and Kate's clue doesn't indicate any spaces whatsoever.  Furthermore, why did they even bother giving us the Jabberwocky poem to look at, if Nancy auto-solves the "get the letters from the poem" puzzle? I guess it's just there to look nice, seeing as it's not supposed to be used to get letters from.


I bet things will make more sense to me, when I replay the game.

18 comments:

GameOverTown said...

I find that the Silent Spy is somewhat recycled material from Curse of Blackmoor Manor and Haunting of Castle Malloy. Not just because those mysteries were in the UK and Ireland, it's more because some of the puzzles in those games made NO SENSE at all.

C said...

o.O no, there are more letters. You take the first letter of EVERY green word, and you take the 2nd letter of EVERY orange word, etc. I didn't count of my letters, but there were definitely much more than 8.

C said...

As for the order of the letters - the first colored word of the poem (the title, Jabberwocky) is brown, so you take 6th letter of that, R. That's the first letter of the cryptogram. The second colored word is (i don't remember, but let's say green), so you take the 1st letter of that, and that's the second letter in the message.

And I agree the raven clue wasn't the best, but it's not really that obscure. It makes sense. I figured it out after awhile (solved this game first time through on master with no hints or spoilers, yay!).

Michael Gray said...

I thought of that too, C. If those are the rules, the first letter in the sequence is "T", from "toves", the first green word. But the first letter on Nancy's page is "D". So "first letter EVERY green word, second letter of EVERY orange word, etc." is not the correct solution.

And again, that solution still doesn't account for where the spaces go in between letters.

C said...

Oh, shoot. Sorry! I don't have the game in front of me, so I was just going by what would make sense. If that's true, then you are right, it is kinda dumb. I'll have to look at it again.

It is incredibly stupid to have given us that clue and not let us solve the puzzle on our own, and as you say, it doesn't account for spaces.

And GOT, I disagree. I thought all the puzzles were pretty reasonable and solvable, except for the color-grouping puzzle and maybe that tangram-like puzzle.

C said...

Actually, no, I'm right. I just checked. Were you on Amateur mode? (I haven't watched your blind playthrough yet). The colored words must be different, because my first word is Jabberwocky, and it's brown, and the letters correspond.

C said...

UGH I just keep making myself sound stupid, I'm sorry. I'm watching that section of your vid now. I don't see what you're saying??

The first coded word of the cipher is RILT.

The first word you deal with is is Jabberwocky, because it's the first colored word, and therefore the first word from which you take the letter. Brown, 6th letter, R.

Second colored word is brillig - purple, third letter, 'I'. 3rd colored word is orange - slithy - 2nd letter - L. 4th word is toves, green, 1st letter, T.

RILT.

Elentarien said...

I had trouble with this one too. (Well, granted, I usually hit a point in most of the games where I am totally stuck, but this one was somewhat worse. I was fairly clueless the whole time and the puzzles I solved were sort of flukish - like the fireplace. I clicked around on that for a minute or two - and actually solved it without having a clue what I was aiming for.)

Clues like the raven. . .I actually thought pointed to the "Six Ravens" tavern at Ballynock (or whatever the place was called) I clicked around there for ages trying to find *something* that would move me forward. I never thought it had to do with a password. To me it was kind of confusing to have two 'Raven' references like that. And yeah, I was on the same trail for the Jabberwocky poem as you were, Michael. I'm not entirely sure how I got the cryptogram up. I clicked something and it popped up in front of me and I was a bit startled. Still didn't realize I'd solved *THAT* until I went to clear off the task list.

Over all, I did enjoy the game and will replay it on senior mode. But I agree, some of the puzzles are quite obscure and there's a lot of "huh? whats going on?" during the game.

GameOverTown said...

Forgive my possible stupidity, C, but how do you know that I'm called GOT?

C said...

And finally - there are 50 colored words in the poem, and 50 letters in the cryptogram. So yes, it's is every respective ltetter from every colored word. And you go by the order of the colored words, NOT the order of colors mentioned by Kate.

C said...

Pardon? I just acronym'd the letters of 'GameOverTown'. Sorry if you don't want to be called that!

And I am dreadfully sorry, Michael, for spamming up the comments!! I was confused and I tend to hit 'publish' before I think, as I guess you well know.

GameOverTown said...

No, No, It's fine..

Anonymous said...

I hear that the Jabberwocky puzzle was changed to what it is now during beta testing. Apparently players were supposed to decode it by themselves (without the "automatic" decoder part popping up). It proved too hard and confusing so they attempted to make it easier for us, but it was not a smooth transition.

As for the raven thing, yeah... you're not alone. That's where everyone simply over thinks Kate's riddle.

Those two parts of the game are where most people end up stuck, and can't progress because both puzzles are vital to triggering new events. Unfortunately the hint system doesn't help or fully explain what and how we do it.

D Noelle said...

Is part 34 being uploaded?

Anonymous said...

I really don't understand why the raven clue was so difficult for so many people. Nancy refers to the archives more than once in her notes and task list, and I'm sure they were referred to by name in conversations with Ewan. The pub was an awful red herring, yes, but otherwise it was not a huge leap.

If people weren't so eager to rush through the games, they might take the time to actually think their way through them the way they were meant to be played.

Sammy said...

I had an incredibly hard time on both of those puzzles as well. I beta tested this game back in August, so I had no way to get help. I ended up having to contact the company I was so stuck. Plus, playing it nearly three months earlier, there were no walkthroughs online to help me. But, I finally figured it out, thanks to whoever it was I talked to at HeR. :) ~Sam

Sammy said...

Anonymous, you are correct. The beta version had no hints at all for that puzzle. It was all just figure it out on your own. (They must have heard my cry when I said it was much to hard on the survey.) I was only able to solve it when I figured out "scientist's" on accident. That only took me like, three days.

Maggie T said...

Hi to Everyone: I also worked and worked on the colored letters in the poem but nothing made sense so I wound up just starting with the S after the apostrophe and figuring it out from there. Was amazed to find out the poem actually is not a formula for solving it and that all the walkthroughs I read after the game just said to do it the way I did. I thought all the other puzzles were great so am disappointed that they didn't just use the colored letters in the poem to solve that one...can't really understand why, can anyone??