Saturday, July 6, 2013

Equality

Reactions to yesterday's blog post were a bit harsh.  Many people believe that the Catholic Church promotes gender inequality, because it allows women to become nuns and men to become priests, but not the other way around.

So let's talk a bit about equality.  That's a popular topic in the United States. Our country believes that "all men are created equal", and everyone has the same rights and privileges as a result.

In the past sixty years or so, there have been several movements that focus on minorities, in order to ensure equality.  First there was the civil rights movement, then the feminist movement, and currently, we have the gay rights movement. 

In my experience, these movements have not resulted in completely equality.  Why do I say that?  I've been excluded from all of them.

As a white person, I am not encouraged to develop racial pride, in the same way a black person is encouraged to do so.  As a man, I am told to not be proud of my gender, because men have historically oppressed women.  As a straight person, I am not allowed to openly celebrate my sexual identity with things like huge parades, because that is bigoted behavior.

It's a cruel double standard, to be sure.  I get accused of being a racist, a sexist or a homophobe, if I try to take pride in my race, gender or sexual identity like other people do.  I'm Catholic, so I sometimes get accused of being a child rapist, in addition to being a racist, sexist homophobe.  From where I'm standing, things don't feel very equal right now.

I'll talk more about equality tomorrow. What do you readers think?  Is there a better way for our country to have equality?  How can we better help all minorities and majorities who are currently being discriminated against?

107 comments:

Suzanne Klare said...

Wow. People just don't have lifes, do they? They're accusing you of being homophobe or racist or child raper, just because you're white and Catholic? That's just stupid. I just can't believe how people can be so stupid to think that way. Just for the record, there are a lot of racists among white people, yes. There are also a lot of racists who are black. So if someone is white, that doesn't mean he is racist, and if someone is straight, that doesn't mean they're homophobes. And, there are also a lot of child rapers (or any rapers) among people without religion. Please people. Get a life.
I'm not saying white people, straight people and Catholic people are perfect. I'm just saying they're not the only ones who do stupid things.

Breanna(; said...

I don't think and have never thought that you were any of those things Michael, I know you are a good person and like I said yesterday, I support you as a catholic and everything you're doing for god!!! Everyone who got on here yesterday to criticize your belief weren't treating you with equality and I agree 100% with Suzanne Klare, everyone needs to really lay off of Michael, why don't you work on fixing your own problems instead of trying to fix other's problems.

Suzanne Klare said...

Thanks Breanna(;
:)

Anonymous said...

And of course, here comes the obligatory posting fan girls that basically agree with everything Michael writes. :)

:)

:)

Without actually saying much regarding the topic at hand. Just defending Michael when people happen to disagree.

Anonymous said...

anon. at 9:57 AM shut ya mouth. They both said a lot about the topic at hand and your comment said very little about the topic at hand don't put down what other people are doing when you're not doing it yourself You're nothing but a witchy chick.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, some people seriously need to understand that being part of a minority doesn't give you a free pass to go out and be a bitch to all the "entitled" people. That's not equality eithet, guys.

Anonymous said...

They are defending Michael when people accuse him of being things that he is NOT and put him down for what he believes in miss anon on july 6 at 9:57 a.m.

Anonymous said...

This inequality gets worse than that, even. If you're a Christian, there's discrimination because YOU might might offend someone else if you dare to pray in public, or if you wear a symbol of your faith. (IE, I have heard of a case of a girl being forced to remove the cross she wore around her neck because *gasp* she might offend someone.

Well, excuse me, what about her right to display her belief? Muslims are allowed to display theirs - wear their. . .head thingies. Catholics are allowed to display their crucifixes, bhudists are allowed to display their idols all over the place, pagans have their stuff splashed all over the place. Yet Christians are not allowed to display an empty cross around their own necks in case they might offend someone? How is that equality?

Or how about abortion? Its totally acceptable to hear speeches on how a woman has a 'right' to do with her own body as she pleases, and its downright popular to support her right to choose. But its 'offensive' to allow people who disagree to show the other side of the story. (my only guess is, the 'pro life' side makes people uncomfortable. People might decide to look at things differently if they get uncomfortable and look at the other side of the matter, so its wrong to show that other side?)

And I agree, there is a definite attack on men being men (or is that an attack on masculinity) because *gasp* supposedly they oppressed women in the past. So apparently its 'all right' to go the other direction? Not.

No, there is definitely a 'reverse prejudice' going on and its not right. It does not make things more equal. Anything that goes against the current 'popular' view is suddenly offensive and bad and has to be stomped out, whether or not popular view is wrong. People are taking this sort of thing to ridiculous lengths and the cry of 'I'm offended' is resounding over the slightest issue. People are getting to a point where they cannot deal with their own discomfort, they cry 'I'm offended' and suddenly its somebody else's responsibility to make this person more comfortable.

I could go on, but I think the idea is there. Its definitely getting twisted in another way, and I don't believe its a 'better' way. Its just making things lopsided and unfair in another direction than it used to be.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:29, the biggest issue with abortion (in my opinion), is that the "pro-life" movement is trying to deny the rights of others. There's absolutely nothing wrong with not supporting abortion, but when you're trying to keep other people from making that decision, you are taking away their rights. If you don't like them, don't get them, but don't stop other people from getting them just because you don't agree with it.

I think people should be able to express themselves in any way they want, including religion, as long as they don't cause literal harm to others. So many people nowadays get so offended. No one should have to change their habits to satisfy the lives of strangers when it doesn't even affect them.

Also, I am certainly not a racist. I attend a large university with a huge amount of diversity - thousands of international students attend the school I go to. That being said though, I do not support Affirmative Action in the slightest. Brazil recently passed legislation saying public universities must reserve 50% of their admission spots for minorities, namely, the Brazilians of African descent. The race issue is a bit different in Brazil because there are so many more ethnic groups that people identify with, and there are more noticeable gaps in the distribution of wealth than in the U.S. And I get that there are a lot of people in the U.S. that are disadvantaged economically. But I don't think jobs and college admission spots should be reserved just for people who are a minority. The way to fix that is to make these disadvantaged areas better and safer. In our current system, races are not equal, and that is very evident in cases of affirmative action. I feel these kinds of quotas hinder more than help.

Anonymous said...

Michael, I am totally cheering you on, brother. I am a Catholic girl and you always impress me with your posts. I thank God for bringing you into my life!!!:):):) Keep up with telling it like it is!! You are tough and kind and I hope one day we can meet each other!!. God Bless you and everyone else!!:):):)

Kuhna said...

To me, the thing about expressing pride in your race or gender is ... pointless. To be proud of overcoming one's struggles is one thing, but being proud just to belong to a certain group defined by superficial characteristics just seems weird to me.

And that's why white men aren't supposed to celebrate themselves - in the vast, vast majority of history, the white man hasn't had to struggle for rights, because they were never questioned or denied.

And if you, as a group, never had to overcome prejudice and oppression, then what have you to be proud of, if you just want to celebrate being white and male? Being white and male is fine, but why be "proud"?

I feel this way about sexuality, too. I'm all 320% in favor of marriage equality, but why be "proud" of being gay in and of itself? I'm not proud of being straight. Why should I be? It's just another thing about me. I'm not proud of having black hair, or tan skin. It's just another thing about me.

Again, being proud of overcoming strife is one thing, being proud of being something that is just a part of what you are ... what's the point?

Anonymous said...

It's a pretty big generalization to say that 'white men' have never had to struggle for rights. The vast majority of Irish immigrants that came over to the USA during the 19th and early 20th centuries had the same limitation of rights as African Americans. In fact, most European immigrants had to overcome extreme poverty, religious and ethnic discrimination, and social stereotypes. Let's just keep things in perspective.

- Virgil

Kuhna said...

And, just because it annoys me, Anon@10:25, Catholics are Christians. Christianity is divided into Catholicism, Eastern orthodox(?) and many sects of Protestantism.

And also, take a look around. Many pro-lifers are just as dead set against hearing pro-choice arguments as pro-choicers are against hearing pro-life arguments. The problem is that people on BOTH sides refuse to be open-minded. And as someone said, it's perfectly acceptable to disagree with another side - but it's NOT okay if one's PERSONAL belief infringes on the rights of others - and that's the point of being pro-life - to make sure that pregnant women's lives and rights are not shut away by people who don't agree with them. If you take away someone's right to their own body, you are going against the very real right of self ownership. Look it up.

And "supposedly" oppressed women? Michael has not personally oppressed women, I'm sure; he's a pretty cool guy. But white men historically have. That's why, um, women had to fight for their right to vote, and why they're still fighting for equal pay for equal work. That is oppression. That is inequality.

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Finally Michael: "In my experience, these movements have not resulted in completely equality. Why do I say that? I've been excluded from all of them.

You've been "excluded" from female and minority efforts to gain equality? Really? You're not female and you're not a minority. You're right, these movements haven't resulted in complete equality - because white males STILL HAVE MORE RIGHTS than females and minorities.

This isn't about YOU being included or excluded. You can choose to be included by voicing support for these groups, or you can remain excluded by not doing a thing. I don't care. But these struggles are not about you. When these people have more rights than you, then you may feel free to complain. But we're far from that point.

I don't want any decent human being - be they white, black, native, Asian, male, female, transgender, straight, gay, or lesbian to feel as if they're of less worth than another person. But the sad thing is, there are differences in rights that vary according to these superficial characteristics that are innately part of who that are. These things, as I said earlier, are not reasons to be "proud", but neither should they be shamed, and they are also NO reason to take away rights.

And THAT is what gender, racial, and sexual equality is about.

Anonymous said...

In lots of cultures men traditionally fought in wars, and that's not an easy task. Isn't fighting honorably in a war a great thing to be proud of? Not to mention all the men in history who protected their families from danger and worked long, painful hours to provide for them.

-Dante

Kuhna said...

Of course, Virgil. You are right, as you usually are =) It was an over-generalization on my part.

The point I was tactlessly trying to make, is that most of the people (as a group) who have not had to struggle were white and male, not that every white male has not struggled.

Anonymous said...

I understand why homosexuals and certain races are proud of who they are and their heritage. Homosexuals, in the “land of the free” were imprisoned, and at worst killed, for their sexual preference. Blacks were bought from their homeland, sold here, worked like a mule until they dropped dead, and then weren’t even given FULL voting rights until the 60s. The Constitution of the United States, a document that declares all men equal, even had the nerve to refer to slaves as only 3/5 of a person. Japanese-Americans in the 40s were rounded and put into concentration camps simply because of what Japan did, a decision they had nothing to do with. If you go to some places in the South today, they still have some groups that are completely dedicated to restoring white power, and even wanting to kill some members of the government for their race. Women have possibly been treated the worse, with historically having no rights separate of her husband or father, no rights over her body, not even the right to say “no” to her husband until the 1980s. With a history like that, I would be proud to be (insert category here) after centuries of your group being discriminated against.

Whether people want to admit it or not, the history of the United States was led by a white, Christian, male majority, and that had devastating effects on everybody who wasn’t white, male, and Christian. People become, I guess, bristled would be a good word, when whites want to be proud about their race because white history involves discriminating against others, so it’s like celebrating when whites were in power and squashed everyone else. Is it right to feel that way? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe we still have some healing to do. But according to Christianity, the sins of the father are revisited onto the son. Maybe white descendants are just going to have to accept that their ancestors did not do them any favors.

Unless you know what’s it’s like to grow up listening to stories of your grandparents and other family members being imprisoned and beaten by the white majority, simply because of their race, sexuality or sex, I don’t think you will ever understand why we are proud. But then, I’ve learned not to expect anybody to. It’s not something you understand. It’s something you experience, by looking at pictures, from listening to stories, from looking at physical scars.

Kuhna said...

"In lots of cultures men traditionally fought in wars, and that's not an easy task. Isn't fighting honorably in a war a great thing to be proud of? Not to mention all the men in history who protected their families from danger and worked long, painful hours to provide for them."

Yes, of course. Fighting honorably is definitely something to be proud of. But a good, brave soldier can be anyone - white, male, female, or a racial minority. Being male doesn't make you a good fighter or an honorable person. Be proud for fighting for liberty and that other grand stuff - don't be proud because oyu happen to be a male doing it. Especially since men sometimes specifically bar women and others from fighting.

Anonymous said...

Concerning being a male soldier and being proud of that, there's another point why males should not be proud of being the combination of male and soldier: Too many of them have used their power to abuse women and even children sexually during wartimes.

And thanks to Anonymous at 12.29 and Kuhna at 12.22 you guys voiced my thoughts when I read Michaels' posting.

To Suzanne Klare and Breanna: It's not about accusing Michael of anything, he most certainly is a nice guy. It is just what it is...Disagreeing with his opinion, as much as he obviously does with mine and beforementioned others. That happens in a democracy and hopefully VERY often, as otherwise democracy would be a dead man walking...

Anonymous said...

For years it was considered the man's job to provide for his family and fight in wars. In a family, if there was an able bodied man in it, then he was obligated to provide and fight. So, for a long time those achievements were specific to men.

-Dante

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 1:32, notice that I wrote "fighting honorably".

-Dante

Anonymous said...

To dante: Yeah, and later we find out differently, IF ever!

Anonymous said...

There have been men who have fought bravely and honorably during wars, it's really too bad that you can't see that.

-Dante

Anonymous said...

To dante: I never said that ALL men did that, I said TOO MANY. Now we could discuss numbers, but I'd say we better not, 'cause that was not Michaels' topic.

Anonymous said...

I think we can agree that there have been both bad, white men and good, white men, right? So it should follow that white men can be proud of good, white men and celebrate their bravery and goodness. I think it is silly that some people think that white men cannot be proud of their race and gender merely because some white men were bad people. There have been many good, brave, kind, and selfless white men throughout history that other white men can be proud of and look up to.

- Dante

Victoria said...

I agree with you Dante, what you said makes a lot of sense.

Anonymous said...

Kuhuna is a witchy chick.

Anonymous said...

"Witchy chick"? Are you meaning to say bitchy? How do you even know Kuhna is female? Geez, get this single-gendered insult crap out of here. The least you can do is come up with something mildly creative since you haven't been contributing anything meaningful otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes, the way I see it, our society today isn't really focusing on the 'freedom' of the people, it's focusing more on the 'equality' of the people. There are large groups of people who want us all to have equal rights because, nowadays, that is what society believes builds a strong world. And if you don't agree with these groups, or are seen as somebody who "really shouldn't be complaining" (for example, an adult, straight, white male), then you should just "shut up and agree with them in support because, really, isn't that what America's all about"? But what I think a lot of people misunderstand is that change takes a long time. There are going to be people who won't want change because the idea of something foreign to them is scary.

I'm not saying that it's bad to push for equal rights, but I'm saying that, despite all of our efforts, we're only human. As humans, we naturally divide a bit. There are always going to be people who discriminated and less fortunate than others It's just the world we live in. But that's not saying that we can't try to spread equality and freedom. We have a right to try to make the world a better place (whatever you believe a 'better place' consists of), but that means we also have a right to say 'no' to ideas we may not like.

I'm not trying to offend anybody, I won't respond to any post that says "I agree!" or "How could you say that?". I'm just suggesting that, maybe, we could look at it this way a bit. Does anybody have anything else? I'd love to hear it.


Anonymous said...

Well Suzanne Klare and Breanna(; are both witchy chicks.

Anonymous said...

Well anon 6:55, you're a fuck-ass.

Kuhna said...

But there's a difference between not wanting change and understanding that it doesn't matter what you do or do not want. In America, people stand for freedom. That's what we say we fight for. Why shouldn't everyone have this freedom that we idealize so much?

And if the only answer they can give to that question is "well, I don't like those people" or "I just don't agree with them", and not something that is more objective and more reasoned, then there is no acceptable reason for change not to occur, no matter if you do not like it.

I don't think that we should have equality just because it builds a strong world. I think we should have equality because we all have, oh, I don't know, "certain unalienable rights".

Someone said, though I don't remember who, that our personal liberty ends where another's begins. Meaning that you no longer have a right to do something if that action will lessen someone else's freedom.

I don't want people to "shut up and stop complaining". I want people to understand that there are groups of people who have fewer rights than others, and that people (again, as a group)who have more rights should be able to fully understand what that means: it. is. wrong.

PS, I'm really not trying to attack you, Anon@6:32, and I'm sorry if I come off that way. You seem like a nice person.

Stephanie Braddock said...

I don't think people really have racial pride or minority pride or even gender pride, in the sense that they don't have it because they 'are'. I think they have it because they are proud of how far they've come. I see it as a way of honoring those who were unfairly treated, and understanding how lucky they are not to live in a time in which they would face the same treatment. Being a girl, I am proud that I have the right to stand up to a man and say "I am just as good as you", but I am not proud that I am a woman. I don't know if this makes sense, but this is how I feel. I think that after knowing what happened in the past, members of these groups are merely more defensive of their rights out of a subconcious fear of discrimination; perhaps that is the thing we are calling pride.

Before I say anything else, just let me say that this is not about attacking Michael. Just because we have differing opinions doesn't mean I like him any less as a person or a commentator.

The truth is, equality is hard to fight for, because it is not a real and tangible thing. The same goes for freedom. It is something that works with the most integral part of our selves, which is why it's such an issue. We can never truly 'win' this battle, because there will always be someone out to oppress or hate a group based off of race, gender, or some other trait. Let me get to how this relates to the blog post. I don't think gender should ever matter. The only thing that should matter is passion, beliefs, and love of God (in this situation). Gender is determined by our bodies only, and who cares about them? They're only shells, and everyone should have an equal chance no matter what body parts they were born with or without.

Anonymous said...

Man... Jesus said to love. Love will lead to real equality. Thus, all we need is more love. Just sayin'.

Anonymous said...

I do have to say that I don't think we will ever get to the point where everyone will be treated equally. I do agree that we do need to move toward that, but there are people out there who are more than ready to put someone down at any cost. weather it's race, gender, or stereotypes. being a woman I personally agree with women's rights to a point. When it gets to the point where women are controlling men,something needs to be done. I believe that the man has been placed over the woman by God and should stay there. Now a days it seems like people are trying so hard to not offend people that everything has switched around. the people that were being put down or ignored are the "normal" people. An example is if say, a black person and a white person were both being considered for a promotion. It's most likely going to be that the black person is going to be promoted because if the white person is promoted, then the manager will be considered racist.

Anna said...

Also, you and my niece inspired me to start my own blog. You don't have to read any of it, but if you would like to, the link is "the-advisor-huh.blogspot.ca" :). Have a good night, Mike.

Anonymous said...

8:09 Anon, that's commie talk right there.

:P

Anonymous said...

Suzanne Klare and Breanna(; have no right to say anything they are meanies and they are elfs and WITCHY CHICKS they have no right to comment or speak their opinion I don't like them.

Anonymous said...

I am kicking them off this blog they can't ever comment again because they are crazy:p

Anonymous said...

I mean Suzanne and Breanna:p

Anonymous said...

Haha no one is sticking up 4 Suzanne and Breanna that means I win you guys can,t ever comment again.

Anonymous said...

Everyone loves me 4 making you guys leave.

Breanna(; said...

Listen, I am not going to fight with you but, I am going to stick up for myself. First off, you can Not kick neither myself or Suzanne Klare off of this blog for these reasons.
#1. You don't tell me or her what to do!

#2. You don't have the right to kick us off this blog.

Everything that you have called and said to Suzanne and I, doesn't hold water because, you have HORRIBLE grammar. That is understandable though, because it's clear to me that you didn't pass third grade phonics.

Anonymous said...

You know, Anonymous at 9:25 , just because you have simply read their comments does not mean that you know their hearts. So, how about you stop being mean to people you barely know. Just because you don't agree with someone does not mean that you can be rude to them.

- Dante

Anonymous said...

But they are weirdos(:

Anonymous said...

No I was not very fair with my last comment they are much more than that they are freakozoids into witchy chick craft they ride broom sticks at night and put spells on you.

Stephanie Braddock said...

... I'm confused. What exactly did Breanna and Suzanne do? I only read a few harmless comments defending Michael. Maybe I missed something. Please, sweetheart, point it out to me.

Anonymous said...

They are creepy they have no rights they ain't human.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Also, I don't speak 'stupid', please translate what "freakozoid witchy chick craft" means. I knew I shouldn't have taken French.

Anonymous said...

Breanna is fat

Anonymous said...

Stephanie hates you Breanna she told me so.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Well, mysterious stranger, this is news to me. Thanks for letting me know, apparently I've been having memory lapses. If I hated her, I would just TELL her, I'm not exactly shy.

Anonymous said...

Stephanie said she thought you were a fat loser

Stephanie Braddock said...

This is childish and immature, and I'm done arguing. Well, maybe I'll stay to see what ridiculous conjecture you make next.

Anonymous said...

Breanna is a witchy chick into witch craft and she is also a fat loser with no rights she ain't human and Stephanie totally agrees with me.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Wow, hello Amaya.

Anonymous said...

My name is not Amaya my name is Jake Breanna and Suzanne are morons geeks nerds and what they and Stephanie say is stupid

Jake said...

Jake is awesome

Stephanie said...

Breanna I have to agree with Jake he is right.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Haha alright, Amaya. Although I must say, "nerd" and "geek" both sound like compliments to me. Breanna and Suzanne were some of the only people who had anything intelligent to say, regardless of my personal opinion towards their arguments. You're either trolling or have the mental capacity of a five year old, and I highly suggest you do something other than make pointless conjectures, hypotheses, and conclusions regarding people you do not and never will know. "Stupid" sounds like a desperate last attempt to discredit my ideas. So with that, I refuse to any more respond to your messages, unless you start saying something interesting. And Jake... I must say you hit a high mark for modesty, commenting "Jake is awesome".

Anonymous said...

whatever they can't get on this blog anymore because I said so I think they are mean and they like old people like you do

Jake said...

I win I Stephanie is defeated

Anonymous said...

Suzanne and Breanna have been commenting regularly on many different posts for a long time now. Unfortunately, they lack the ability to *usually* present a varied opinion than that of Michael's. They are the first to defend him and support him, whether he asks or not. Anyone else who has a differing opinion is shunned by our two puppy like fan girls. In their eyes Michael can write or do no wrong. And don't even get me started on lovely "William" who probably has an entire shrine.

It's fine to have a different opinion. :)

And those that do do not need to attacked. Do not wage war against others who read this blog and happen to disagree. And don't get pissed when other people comment, and "it sounds like they're being mean to Michael, omg!!" Um, no. It's called a discussion.

Kinda Sad Nautilus said...

Every day is Straight Pride Day.
Every month is White Pride Month.
You can vote.
You can marry.
You can worship your god.
You are treated with the dignity and respect any person (supposedly) deserves.
Congratulations. You won the game without even playing.

But the rest of us are still playing and we have a long way to go.
So please stop complaining about how there isn't anything for you to do now.

It's super obnoxious and likely to get you called a few names.

Breanna(; said...

I do not agree with every thing Michael says, I just like to treat everyone with respect and kindness, I can't even think of another time that I have defended Michael except for today, and when I said people need to lay off of Michael, I meant that towards the people calling him a homophobe, sexist, racist, and a child raper, I don't think you would like it very much if you were being accused of these things, and I really don't appreciate you calling me a puppy fan girl if you want to see a puppy like fan girl read the comment someone posted at 11:44 this morning. Also, I think only two people disagreed with my comment and that's ok everyone has that right to agree or disagree, i'm ok with that, but what i'm not ok with is people calling me childish names and telling me i'm not human and calling me fat and a lot of other things, because I said that some people weren't treating Michael with equality that is not disagreeing with my opinion that is harassment. It is wrong to treat me that way when you don't even know me. If you don't agree with me that is fine, but resorting to extreme tactics like calling me names and telling me I have no right to post what I think and saying that I am kicked of this blog because I had an opinion, is a little much. Don't you think???

Anonymous said...

I'd like to add to the discussion of equality with a personal story.

My family is from Northern Europe. My father was of Swedish descent, and my mother is half Estonian and Russian. When my mother was growing up in Estonia, a small Baltic country that shares a border with Russia, it was historically taken over by many more powerful European nations. Whatever time period you research, it was always under the control of a more powerful state that utilized it for it's convenient seaports. Most recently it was occupied by Germany, and then taken over by the Soviet Union. As a result, many different (but generally white) nationalities moved in and out creating diverse heritages. The national languages and dialects also were affected. In particular during Estonia's time as part of the USSR, Russian customs, traditions, and people became integrated into the daily lives of those that define themselves as "pure" Estonians (those that have claim to have lineages dating back countless generations). My mother, with a "pure" Estonian mother, and Russian immigrant father was a mix. She faced discrimination from Russian classmates for being Estonian and speaking the then national language of Russian with an accent. And of course from Estonians who would not fully accept her because Russian immigrants were viewed (and generally still are) as good for nothing drunk and violent oppressors. Her physical traits also differed from typical Estonians; darker hair, dark eyes, (what many perceived to be a typical physicality of a Russian Jew). You would think that this experience in her early life would have played some sort of social justice role, and inspired her to be more accepting of differences.

Anonymous said...

(continued from 1:13 AM)

Instead, after immigrating to the US (a nation that prides itself as being an accepting "melting pot" in those relatively modern times) after the end of the cold war, she genuinely became racist. And while her often in sensitive and what many define as racist comments have grown quieter (especially after talking to me), she still did not want to vote for Obama because he has black skin. She still does not trust "the minorities" or those that do not identify as white. Asians are all Orientals in her eyes, and African Americans "worked in the cotton fields for a good reason." Those of European descent are sorted into a hierarchy of what she knows of the particular country someone's ancestors are from (mostly based on stereotypes). As for those who are from countries that were part of the Soviet Union, there's varying degrees of judgement about intellect and trustworthiness. So, how is it that a person who experienced classism and racism throughout her youth, can judge difference so freely?! How is it that a person who was always thought to be Jewish (instead of the overwhelmingly Lutheran or Presbyterian Christian religions prominent in her birth country), can easily tell me not to date Jews because "they are deceptive and greedy?" How can she so easily tell me that when I get married it must only be to a man that identifies as white? And when I asked what she would do if I was actually a lesbian, she replied "there's a reason God made it impossible to procreate with the members of the same sex. Offspring like that would be an abomination."

When I was little I remember talking to my grandmother on the phone, she made such an atrocious comment about African Americans and how I should not play with them. My grandmother--- she who married a "Russian dog," and lost the love of many family members and friends because of her choice.

Finally, I want to ask this: What continues discrimination and prejudice? Do the once oppressed become oppressors themselves? What is it about power that permeates for generations?

[As a personal note, I DO NOT in anyway agree with what my mother and grandmother were quoted as saying. Even if my upbringing was definitely peppered with racism, prejudice, and homophobia, etc. I in no way support their misconceptions. Countless disagreements arise from these topics, of course. In fact, I do my fair share of advocating for social change, and attempting to challenge these perceived notions of superiority amongst not only family, but any who will attempt to listen.]

Breanna(; said...

I'm truly sorry that your mother had to go through such terrible things. I was not trying to be mean to you, I just am a little hurt that someone would call me all of these names and treat me like what I say doesn't matter. I respect both you and your opinion and i'm sorry if I said anything that may of hurt you in any way.

Anonymous said...

Breanna:),

You in no way hurt my feelings, no worries. I was just generally participating in a response to the discussion from Michael's post from a personal standpoint. :D


Jake said...

I love the reactions I got from Stephanie and you three dumb on anymouuses last night when I was being mean to Suzanne and breanna I don't know them I just picked them from the crowd and did what I did to get a reaction out of people because I love to terrorize people and make everyone mad at each other and get them all riled up and you bunch of witchy chicks fell for it

Kuhna said...

"Terrorizing" people? Sorry, you're really not at that level. "Trolling" is more the term.

Kuhna said...

Anon@1:13 -

That is indeed an interesting story. Makes one wonder.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Well, I did call trolling last night, so if that's what you call "falling for it", then wow, you sure got me! The only reason I actually responded was to defend people; I certainly didn't get riled up. I don't think you were nearly as successful as you thought you were, Amaya. I don't necessarily agree with what Breanna and Suzanne say, but that doesn't mean I support this type of idiotic insulting of their characters. If I stay calm and collected throughout this coversation, then have you really 'won'?

Anonymous said...

Brittany was the first person I insulted and then I met sweetie pie Stephanie and made up a wonderful song about them that summed them up 2 a T and now I have met Breanna and Suzanne Klare and I can't wait to get started on khuna I am the awesome jake I am like a tornado stirring up trouble and reaking havic on unsuspecting souls. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

This is my new song. Kuhuna is a dork, Stephanie looks like a stork, all of the anonymouses smell like pork and jake is great.

Kuhna said...

Stephanie, at least everyone spells your name correctly =P

Anonymous said...

Sing it with me now, Kuhna is a dork, Stephanie is a stork, all of the anonymouses smell like pork an Jake is Great.

Anonymous said...

Stephanie is a weird old sociopath an kuhna is pysco.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Silver linings, you have to love them

Stephanie Braddock said...

And when did 15 become old? Has the life expectancy for my generation suddenly dropped 50 something years?

Anonymous said...

Stephanie is fatter than Breanna and kuhna is even bigger than that.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Compelling arguments, but I do feel as if you misunderstand my character. And contrary to your beliefs, I am actually in the 20 something percentile for weight for my age, not that physical appearance should at all detract from the merit of our thoughts.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 1:13 am your story sounds as if it is untrue.

Breanna(; said...

Just so you know Jake, my doctor told me, I am 20 pounds underweight for my age(:

Anonymous said...

"Jake" -

Kill yourself.

Kuhna said...

^not cool.

Brittany said...

AWWWW JAKEY REMEMBERED ME EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T COMMENTED HERE

Lol go back to 9gag, brah. I bet you're pretty good at making rage comics, aren't you? Oooh, why not make one about this conversation? For teh lulz

Anonymous said...

Uh oh, forgot to put a trigger warning on that shit

Brittany said...

Haha, Jake probably wrote "kill yourself" just to get some sympathy.

Anonymous said...

Brittany my princess you return to me, I have something new for you it is called the two ugly girls that start with the letter B. Once there was two girls named Breanna and Brittany they were so ugly that everyone died The End.

Brittany said...

Now that's what I call a cool story, bro!

Stephanie Braddock said...

And this, Jake, is why I've missed you so much.

Jake said...

Today we are playing a game, it is called, who is the ugliest. Meet the contestants we have Stephanie, Brittany, Breanna, Suzanne, and Kuhna. Which one of these creepy monsters do you think will win???

Stephanie Braddock said...

Jake, why aren't you competing? I definitely would have voted for you.

Anonymous said...

Stephanie wins, Her runner up was Brittany and the third place winner is Breanna. Sorry, kuhna and Suzanne, if you wanted to win you should have tried to be more like steph, Brit, and Bre.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Wow, best moment of my life.

Jake the great said...

Stephanie since you, Brittany and Breanna have won, you get a free pass to being banished to an island were you will most likely not survive you leave tomorrow.

Breanna(; said...

That is cool, you already have me packing my bags, I can't wait to go!!!(:

Breanna(; said...

I really think Stephanie, Brittany an I will be more than happy to go any where that gets us away from you.

Jake said...

The feeling is mutual I can't wait to send you and Brit and Steph on the plane so that I never have to talk to you again. Also you guys are being really mean to me.

Stephanie Braddock said...

Aw, I'm sorry Jake, feel free to cry. You little hypocrite. You started this, so you get to finish this.

Anonymous said...

Jake = http://goo.gl/iRNbH

Stephanie Braddock said...

Jesus, Jake, you're such a troll.

Suzanne Klare said...

I can't believe how funny this is. People all getting mad on me and Breanna(;, it's just hilarious.
Just to clarify, this page is to give people the opportunity to give their opinions on the matter of the blogpost. That's what we did. People might have been offended by our opinions, and said that we were "witchy chicks". That's your opinion. I'm OK with that. I'm sorry if any of my comments anywhere might have offended someone, but I can't change my opinion. And even if I could, I wouldn't change it, and I doubt Breanna(; would either.
And, for everyone who wants to stop us commenting on everything, I wish you good luck, 'cause you'll need it, especially you, "the awesome jake" :)


William D said...

Oh my gosh... how could anyone possibly think you were rapist or homophobic or a raper?!?!?!?! I mean seriously coming from a fellow Catholic I kinda know how you feel, but no one has ever said that to me before! Geez, Michael, you're an amazing, good person! I can't think why anyone would accuse you of such horrible crimes >:O
Also, oh gee, comment explosion...

William D said...

Oh my gosh... how could anyone possibly think you were rapist or homophobic or a raper?!?!?!?! I mean seriously coming from a fellow Catholic I kinda know how you feel, but no one has ever said that to me before! Geez, Michael, you're an amazing, good person! I can't think why anyone would accuse you of such horrible crimes >:O
Also, oh gee, comment explosion...

William D said...

Pretty little "William"? :P lol I do technically have a shrine I go to for Mass ;)

William D said...

Hmmmm... Wow my last comment sounded creepy now that I read the accusers comment again XD ok, I didn't mean to post the one thing twice, I don't have a shrine to Michael, I meant religious shrine/church.