Thursday, June 16, 2011

More Prop 8 Drama

In the news recently, there has been more drama over Prop. 8, here in California.  To put it briefly, Prop 8 is the proposed law which says "Gay marriage is legal in the state of California".

This was a big deal in 2008 general election, when the Gay Rights people managed to get Prop 8 on the state ballot.  After all the votes were tallied, though, Prop 8 failed.  The majority of people in the state voted against legalizing gay marriage.

The Gay Rights people responded by saying Prop 8 is completely unconstitutional, and it should never have been put on the ballot to begin with.  I find this ironic, because this is coming from the people who put it on the ballot in the first place.

Well, for the past three years, Prop 8 has been bouncing around the courts like a pinball.  Whenever one side wins in court, the other side appeals for a new court.  Both sides refuse to give up fighting over this issue, and it probably won't be settled until it reaches the National Supreme Court.

The most recent piece of news is that a judge ruled in favor of gay marriage.  This is not surprising, because the judge himself is openly gay and has had a boyfriend for several years.  People have complained the ruling is unfair, because the judge had a personal interest in the matter.  And by "complained", I mean "sued".

Another judge has come out and ruled that the gay judge was within his rights to rule on the case.  Both rulings are being appealed.  Also, there is a third appeal which is somehow involved, although the news sources didn't entirely explain this.  Maybe someone is suing the appeals courts?  I dunno.  Anyway, that's the latest news on Prop 8.  It's still being tried in multiple courts, and nobody seems to care that the state already voted on the issue.

26 comments:

Airam said...

Woah, crazy! I hope it doesn't win!

Anonymous said...

yes i agree with the post above.

Violet said...

I get along with gay people, but I don't agree with what they do...
The judge SHOULD get sued because he has favor for one side for personal reasons.

Kira said...

I am not a supporter of gay marriage. So I really hope California won't legalize it ... it just doesn't sound right to me.

Diana said...

I agree with everyone's posts above. I wonder why no one is taking into consideration that the state has voted...do we really have that little power? Yes, yes we do.

Anonymous said...

I must say that I don't agree with you all. The government has more important things to deal with then this.

Rachael said...

Maybe I agree with the "love thy neighbor" aspect of things... but I was bullied in high school for being overweight and shy. I know what it feels like to be an outcast and while I don't really agree with gay/lesbian lifestyles, I do feel sorry for them.

Anonymous said...

i would want to be accepted as a lesbian, so..

Gabi said...

More Prop 8 drama indeed. I actually think the idea of gay marriage is... interesting. I'm not a big supporter of it, to be honest. But, that's California's decision.

Justice said...

Violet said:
"I get along with gay people, but I don't agree with what they do..."

My thoughts exactly!

I think along the lines of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" maxim. (While this is not a rule explicitly stated in the Bible, it was demonstrated by Jesus in the way He dealt with people.) I certainly hope the Proposition doesn't win, but seeing the general direction our nation is going in, I get the feeling it probably will someday. :(

--J.F.

Anonymous said...

I love homosexuals.
They get bullied and beat on, but no one cares because it "goes against" the Bible. I've listened to other people's arguments about how "they're morally wrong".
Who cares?
They're people. They can be attracted to whomever they want.
Gay marriage.. It's a matter of opinion.
But why should couples of the same gender not be allowed to marry because of religion? Not everyone has the same religion. Heck, some people don't even have a religion, period.
As for the judge being sued, that's horrible. He SHOULD be sued because he has a favor for them? People who are against gay marriage for relgious reasons, they have favor for that side for personal reasons.

Miriam said...

This is completely unrelated, but I know you probably don't read all of the channel posts you get, so I thought I'd have a better chance here. I'm starting to make a video walkthrough of The Captive Curse (ah, the advantages of living close to Her Interactive..) and wondered if you could give me some advice. I posted the first part here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twi22qACL2w but I haven't recorded any further yet. Could you watch it and let me know what you think or what I should work on? It would mean a lot to me :)

Keep being amazing, Michael!

Sammy said...

Like God, I don't hate gay people, however I don't approve of their conduct. Sorry to be lazy but there's a verse i can't remember where that says something along the lines of 'men who lie with men will not inherit God's Kingdom( unless, of course, they repent of their sins)

Katie said...

I have nothing against gay people-I feel they have every right to be treated equally and fairly. However, while I guess I don't really see the harm in a legal union of sorts, where the services is conducted by a Government official or such, I just don't feel comfortable with gay marriage taking place in the Church. I live in Minnesota and recently there was a problem where a Luthern Minister, who was openly homosexual, started marrying gay couples in the church without the churches consent. The church obviously has taken issue with this but the minister, who is a lesbian, feels she and other homosexuals are being discriminated against. While I understand her point, I have a problem with her going beyond and disregarding the church's authority. Long story short, I just hope it doesn't win...

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, the homosexual/gay/lesbian people should have a say in these matters, yes majority rules, but if they want to live in that lifestyles which make them happy, who are we to judge what they should or should not. religions are important in life to teach us about good behavior and morals, but it should not be the excuse for us to go against prop 8. What matter is their happiness.

Violet said...

@Anonymous 7:58 I never said he should get sued for THAT. I said that since this is a legal matter in California... and the law says that a judge shouldn't take sides for personal reasons. He should have an open opinion for both sides.

Isabel said...

This is really disturbing for me. The fact that people can't accept two men or two women loving each other. It's nothing more than love. How would you feel if you weren't allowed to marry the person you love? You'd feel pretty bad.
The LGTBQ hasn't done anything to you. Even if you don't like the idea of it, letting these people get married isn't suddenly going to make everything worse for you.
"Love conquers all."
- Virgil

Anonymous said...

I'm not against gay people, but I don't see why they would want to marry each other. I mean, such matters as inheritance, common purchases can be settled without marriage. Speaking of adoption, gay people mustn't be allowed to have children because living in a gay family isn't good for a child

Anonymous said...

Hey Michael I just wanted to let you know Prop 8 was under the ballot title "Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment" it was called the California Marriage Protection Act by proponents of it. It was not funded or supported by any of the California gay rights groups. Just wanted to point that out :)

Anonymous said...

I have nothing against gays, but are you gay? Are you against gays?

Anonymous said...

There is nothing wrong with gay marriage. Absolutely nothing. Two people are in love. Is this a sin? I agree wholeheartedly with Isabel, this being legal would do nothing to hurt you, I don't understand why people are so upset. Yes, its strange to us who aren't gay, but it hurts no one. They are bullied and attacked for loving someone society says they aren't ALLOWED to love. And THAT is wrong.

Anonymous said...

"Marriage" is a religious sacrament. It's iffy enough that government should administer it at all, but to attempt to redefine what it is completely turns separation of church and state on its head.

On the other hand, civil ceremonies are not religious at all, and the government has clear authority to do whatever it likes with those. When Prop 8 was defeated, the civil ceremonies, which were already legal in California, still were legal. But you'd never have known it from the way it was reported.

Krista said...

I sort of wonder why gay people don't just go along with the whole go-to-the-justice-of-the-peace sorta thing, i mean, all the gay people I know aren't religious AT ALL. So why do they NEED to take place in marriage, a religious sacrament? Oh, but I still think that no one has the right to bully anyone else.

Clint said...

I would just like to say that, even though Prop 8 doesn't affect me geographically since I live in Canada, it does affect me emotionally and I'm appalled by most of the comments here.

I am a homosexual, and I was ecstatic when Canada finally legalized gay marriage. It seems that California and the rest of the US won't be far behind, if what's happened in New York is any indication.

Marriage isn't just a religious sacrament. It's seen by society as a rite of passage, and it's really what solidifies a relationship, whether that relationship is built on religion or otherwise.

If a straight couple identifies as atheist, and still decide to get married in a church, nobody will be the wiser because they're straight, and it can easily be assumed that they're religious by the naked eye. When it's a gay couple, that's when the mayhem starts.

I was raised as Roman Catholic, and have no problems following both my faith and my sexuality. I don't care what excerpts from the bible people throw at me, because I'm content with who I am and where I stand. All homosexual couples deserve the right to express themselves in any way they choose, and that includes marriage.

Anonymous said...

I would really apreciate if you would stop critisizing gay people, everyone is equal and frankly, like your mom always said, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it.

Anonymous said...

Someone said above that the gay people they knew wern't relious so why would they NEED to take part in marridge. Seriously, are you kidding me! Lots of gay people are relious, and its not all about religion its also about taking the vows, taking another step in a relationship, and expressing love to one another. I'm gay and have been happily married since it was legalized in New York. Everyone deserves equal marrige rights, no matter what race, sexual orientation, class or culture. LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED <3